Podcast 84: It: Chapter Two

The 3 Guys Podcast

Recorded on 10/13/2022

You’ll float again. In this podcast we review Stephen King’s movie adaptation It: Chapter Two starring Jessica Chastain, James McAvoy, Bill Hader, Isaiah Mustafa, Jay Ryan, James Ransone, Andy Bean, Bill Skarsgårdand and directed by Andy Muschietti. WARNING: There will be SPOILERS!

The 3 Guys Rating

3.4/5

Notes From The Show

  • Quick Synopsis

  • Released:  September 6, 2019

    Based On The Book: “It” by Stephen King

    Directed By:   Andy Muschietti

    Screenplay By:  Gary Dauberman

    Stars: Jessica Chastain, James McAvoy, Bill Hader, Isaiah Mustafa, Jay Ryan, James Ransone, Andy Bean, Bill Skarsgårdand a bunch of other actors.

    Plot:  Twenty-seven years after their first encounter with the terrifying Pennywise, the Losers Club have grown up and moved away, until a devastating phone call brings them back.

    Tagline: You’ll float again.

    How did this movie do?
    Budget: $79 Million
    Box Office: $473 Million

  • Book Differences

    • (at around 2h 30 mins) Eddie’s death in the book was a bit more gruesome than in the film. In the book, It bites Eddie’s arm off and tosses him aside. Eddie then dies of shock from pain and blood loss. In the film, when the Losers are standing around the very weakened Pennywise, Richie approaches and rips one of It’s arms off.

    • The ending of the movie differs than the book, in that Pennywise is revealed to be a female spider in its most true form to humans and the Loser Club must destroy all the eggs that were laid because they’re about to hatch.

    • The climax of the book and movie are much different. In the book, Mike is severely wounded after his encounter with Henry Bowers and unable to join the remaining Losers in the sewers for the final battle against Pennywise. Stanley Uris also dies without leaving a suicide note or sending a letter to the rest of the group. Also, the Losers do begin to forget their memories again after parting ways. Whereas in the movie, it’s implied that they keep in contact with one another judging by the scene where Mike and Bill talk over the phone after the events.

    • When IT is defeated in the novel, the entire town of Derry is destroyed, implying that not only does IT reside in the town, IT IS the town.

    • In the novel, Beverly’s husband follows her to Derry, seeking revenge for her leaving him, but dies when he sees Pennywise in his true form.

    • Even though this never happens in the film due to Audra’s subplot being removed, during the final battle between The Losers Club and Pennywise/It in the novel, Pennywise actually begs for his life and specifically bargains with Bill, stating that he’ll give him his wife back and grant him eternal life. Bill rejects this and proceeds to kill him.
  • NOES References

  • Nightmare on Elm Street References

    • Both target mostly children

    • Both Freddy & IT feed on the fear of children

    • Both have a weakness to those who overcome their fear

    • Both create realistic dreamscape illusions to trick their prey

    • In both Chapter 2 and Nightmare 5 see adults returning to fight the villain
  • Trivia

    • The café Dreamers is next to the Theater Marquee of “Nightmare on Elm Street 5”.

    • The actor who played the presenter during Ben’s board meeting is the original Ben from the 1990’s adaptation (Brandon Crane). So in a way, he’s also Ben.

    • Bill Skarsgård (Pennywise) has stated that he had more fun on set during this movie because he was actually able to talk to and hang out with his adult co-stars. Skarsgård had minimal contact with his child co-stars in It (2017) so that they would be more genuinely scared of Pennywise once they saw him. He also had to calm them down after each shot.

    • Bill Hader was approached for the role of Richie Tozier based on Finn Wolfhard’s wish to cast him in the sequel. Hader, who had never met Wolfhard, was extremely flattered that Wolfhard wanted him to take on the role.

    • Bill Skarsgård stated in an interview that even after filming had wrapped, he would have nightmares of Pennywise. In these nightmares, he would have to battle Pennywise just as the characters in the film do.

    • Pennywise has only seven minutes of dialogue in the entire film. 4 minutes in the first movie.

    • The members of the Losers’ Club from It (2017) were asked who they wanted to play their adult parts: Finn Wolfhard (Richie Tozier) said Bill Hader, Sophia Lillis (Beverly Marsh) said Jessica Chastain, Chosen Jacobs (Mike Hanlon) said Chadwick Boseman, Jack Dylan Grazer (Eddie Kaspbrak) said Jake Gyllenhaal, Wyatt Oleff (Stanley Uris) said Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Jeremy Ray Taylor (Ben Hanscom) said Chris Pratt and Jaeden Martell (Bill Denbrough) said Christian Bale. Bale turned down the Bill Denbrough role outright while Boseman was unavailable due to his Marvel-contractual obligations as Black Panther (2018). Wolfhard and Lillis’s choices were the only two that ended up being cast. James McAvoy was recommended by Chastain in returning the favor of her being recommended by him to Simon Kinberg for the antagonist role of Vuk in their previous collaboration X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019).

    • (at around 1h 18 mins) A license plate on the wall above the owner of the antique shop is “CQB 241” the same as the license plate in Christine (1983). The owner, who is played by Stephen King, the original author of both “Christine” and “It”, also asks for $300 for the bike, the same amount that George LeBay initially offers to sell the car for.

    • Finn Wolfhard (young Richie Tozier) filmed this film and season 3 of Stranger Things (2016) at the same time. In an interview with The Hollywood Reporter, he said it was tiring and stressful, but rewarding at the same time to shoot It Chapter Two during his off days from filming Stranger Things S3.

    • According to director Andy Muschietti, the film has over 4 hours of footage which had to be cut down to 2 hours and 49 minutes. Muschietti states that he plans to use the unused footage and scenes not yet filmed for a possible future film related to the “It” franchise.

    • The adult Losers wear only one outfit each while they’re in Derry, though 50-60 versions of the outfits were designed for the actors to wear throughout filming.

    • Stephen King calls the film not a sequel but the second half to It (2017).

    • There were rumors at one point Bill Skarsgård would not be returning to play Pennywise in this film due to concerns that the role was negatively affecting his mental health. However, a week before the first film was released, Skarsgard confirmed that he was officially attached to the sequel and had already began meeting with director Andy Muschietti to discuss ideas for the character and the film.

    • As opposed to being light silver in It (2017), Pennywise’s suit is dark gray in this film. This is to show the 27 years since he’d last fought The Losers Club had gone by.
    • The young Losers Club actors were de-aged in the film, the first time ever in a horror film.

    • With It (2017) and this film, the It movie franchise has made over $1 billion worldwide, making it one of the most successful horror franchises of all time.

    • This film uses the word “fuck” 108 times.

    • Body Count: 8 (Including Pennywise)

    • This is the third Stephen King film adaptation released in 2019, following Pet Sematary (2019) and Doctor Sleep (2019). It (2017) was also the second-wide release Stephen King film adaptation in 2017 following The Dark Tower (2017).

    • (at around 40 mins) The scene with the firefly is designed to mirror the first film’s sewer scene with Georgie.

    • The original Stephen King novel runs to 1,138 pages.

    • (at around 2h 40 mins) The room where Bill is typing at the end of the film, when he gets the call from Mike, is the same room from Stand by Me (1986).

    • 4500 gallons of fake blood were used in Beverly’s toilet cubicle scene at the climax, a world record for a theatrical production.

    • (at around 1h 55 mins) When Richie (Bill Hader) sees the Stanley-spider, he says, “You’ve got to be fucking kidding.” In John Carpenter’s The Thing (1982), Palmer says the same line reacting to a similar spider-head creature.

    • (at around 2h 20 mins) During the final battle, Richie calls Pennywise a “sloppy bitch”. This is a reference to a 2016 interview of Bill Hader on Conan (2010) (Hader revealed he would call his friend that when the friend would beat him at “Goldeneye”).

Released:  September 6, 2019

Based On The Book: “It” by Stephen King

Directed By:   Andy Muschietti

Screenplay By:  Gary Dauberman

Stars: Jessica Chastain, James McAvoy, Bill Hader, Isaiah Mustafa, Jay Ryan, James Ransone, Andy Bean, Bill Skarsgårdand a bunch of other actors.

Plot:  Twenty-seven years after their first encounter with the terrifying Pennywise, the Losers Club have grown up and moved away, until a devastating phone call brings them back.

Tagline: You’ll float again.

How did this movie do?
Budget: $79 Million
Box Office: $473 Million

  • (at around 2h 30 mins) Eddie’s death in the book was a bit more gruesome than in the film. In the book, It bites Eddie’s arm off and tosses him aside. Eddie then dies of shock from pain and blood loss. In the film, when the Losers are standing around the very weakened Pennywise, Richie approaches and rips one of It’s arms off.

  • The ending of the movie differs than the book, in that Pennywise is revealed to be a female spider in its most true form to humans and the Loser Club must destroy all the eggs that were laid because they’re about to hatch.

  • The climax of the book and movie are much different. In the book, Mike is severely wounded after his encounter with Henry Bowers and unable to join the remaining Losers in the sewers for the final battle against Pennywise. Stanley Uris also dies without leaving a suicide note or sending a letter to the rest of the group. Also, the Losers do begin to forget their memories again after parting ways. Whereas in the movie, it’s implied that they keep in contact with one another judging by the scene where Mike and Bill talk over the phone after the events.

  • When IT is defeated in the novel, the entire town of Derry is destroyed, implying that not only does IT reside in the town, IT IS the town.

  • In the novel, Beverly’s husband follows her to Derry, seeking revenge for her leaving him, but dies when he sees Pennywise in his true form.

  • Even though this never happens in the film due to Audra’s subplot being removed, during the final battle between The Losers Club and Pennywise/It in the novel, Pennywise actually begs for his life and specifically bargains with Bill, stating that he’ll give him his wife back and grant him eternal life. Bill rejects this and proceeds to kill him.

Nightmare on Elm Street References

  • Both target mostly children

  • Both Freddy & IT feed on the fear of children

  • Both have a weakness to those who overcome their fear

  • Both create realistic dreamscape illusions to trick their prey

  • In both Chapter 2 and Nightmare 5 see adults returning to fight the villain
  • The café Dreamers is next to the Theater Marquee of “Nightmare on Elm Street 5”.

  • The actor who played the presenter during Ben’s board meeting is the original Ben from the 1990’s adaptation (Brandon Crane). So in a way, he’s also Ben.

  • Bill Skarsgård (Pennywise) has stated that he had more fun on set during this movie because he was actually able to talk to and hang out with his adult co-stars. Skarsgård had minimal contact with his child co-stars in It (2017) so that they would be more genuinely scared of Pennywise once they saw him. He also had to calm them down after each shot.

  • Bill Hader was approached for the role of Richie Tozier based on Finn Wolfhard’s wish to cast him in the sequel. Hader, who had never met Wolfhard, was extremely flattered that Wolfhard wanted him to take on the role.

  • Bill Skarsgård stated in an interview that even after filming had wrapped, he would have nightmares of Pennywise. In these nightmares, he would have to battle Pennywise just as the characters in the film do.

  • Pennywise has only seven minutes of dialogue in the entire film. 4 minutes in the first movie.

  • The members of the Losers’ Club from It (2017) were asked who they wanted to play their adult parts: Finn Wolfhard (Richie Tozier) said Bill Hader, Sophia Lillis (Beverly Marsh) said Jessica Chastain, Chosen Jacobs (Mike Hanlon) said Chadwick Boseman, Jack Dylan Grazer (Eddie Kaspbrak) said Jake Gyllenhaal, Wyatt Oleff (Stanley Uris) said Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Jeremy Ray Taylor (Ben Hanscom) said Chris Pratt and Jaeden Martell (Bill Denbrough) said Christian Bale. Bale turned down the Bill Denbrough role outright while Boseman was unavailable due to his Marvel-contractual obligations as Black Panther (2018). Wolfhard and Lillis’s choices were the only two that ended up being cast. James McAvoy was recommended by Chastain in returning the favor of her being recommended by him to Simon Kinberg for the antagonist role of Vuk in their previous collaboration X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019).

  • (at around 1h 18 mins) A license plate on the wall above the owner of the antique shop is “CQB 241” the same as the license plate in Christine (1983). The owner, who is played by Stephen King, the original author of both “Christine” and “It”, also asks for $300 for the bike, the same amount that George LeBay initially offers to sell the car for.

  • Finn Wolfhard (young Richie Tozier) filmed this film and season 3 of Stranger Things (2016) at the same time. In an interview with The Hollywood Reporter, he said it was tiring and stressful, but rewarding at the same time to shoot It Chapter Two during his off days from filming Stranger Things S3.

  • According to director Andy Muschietti, the film has over 4 hours of footage which had to be cut down to 2 hours and 49 minutes. Muschietti states that he plans to use the unused footage and scenes not yet filmed for a possible future film related to the “It” franchise.

  • The adult Losers wear only one outfit each while they’re in Derry, though 50-60 versions of the outfits were designed for the actors to wear throughout filming.

  • Stephen King calls the film not a sequel but the second half to It (2017).

  • There were rumors at one point Bill Skarsgård would not be returning to play Pennywise in this film due to concerns that the role was negatively affecting his mental health. However, a week before the first film was released, Skarsgard confirmed that he was officially attached to the sequel and had already began meeting with director Andy Muschietti to discuss ideas for the character and the film.

  • As opposed to being light silver in It (2017), Pennywise’s suit is dark gray in this film. This is to show the 27 years since he’d last fought The Losers Club had gone by.
  • The young Losers Club actors were de-aged in the film, the first time ever in a horror film.

  • With It (2017) and this film, the It movie franchise has made over $1 billion worldwide, making it one of the most successful horror franchises of all time.

  • This film uses the word “fuck” 108 times.

  • Body Count: 8 (Including Pennywise)

  • This is the third Stephen King film adaptation released in 2019, following Pet Sematary (2019) and Doctor Sleep (2019). It (2017) was also the second-wide release Stephen King film adaptation in 2017 following The Dark Tower (2017).

  • (at around 40 mins) The scene with the firefly is designed to mirror the first film’s sewer scene with Georgie.

  • The original Stephen King novel runs to 1,138 pages.

  • (at around 2h 40 mins) The room where Bill is typing at the end of the film, when he gets the call from Mike, is the same room from Stand by Me (1986).

  • 4500 gallons of fake blood were used in Beverly’s toilet cubicle scene at the climax, a world record for a theatrical production.

  • (at around 1h 55 mins) When Richie (Bill Hader) sees the Stanley-spider, he says, “You’ve got to be fucking kidding.” In John Carpenter’s The Thing (1982), Palmer says the same line reacting to a similar spider-head creature.

  • (at around 2h 20 mins) During the final battle, Richie calls Pennywise a “sloppy bitch”. This is a reference to a 2016 interview of Bill Hader on Conan (2010) (Hader revealed he would call his friend that when the friend would beat him at “Goldeneye”).

About The Movie From IMDB

It Chapter Two | September 6, 2019 (United States) 6.5

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Cast

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Beverly Marsh
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Bill Denbrough
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Richie Tozier
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Mike Hanlon
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Ben Hanscom
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Eddie Kaspbrak
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Stanley Uris
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Pennywise
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Young Bill Denbrough
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Young Stanley Uris
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Young Eddie Kaspbrak
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Young Richie Tozier
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Young Beverly Marsh
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Young Mike Hanlon
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Young Ben Hanscom
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Henry Bowers
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Young Henry Bowers
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Countries: United States, CanadaLanguages: English, North American Indian, SpanishBudget: $79,000,000 (estimated)

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It Chapter Two | September 6, 2019 (United States) Summary:
Countries: United States, CanadaLanguages: English, North American Indian, Spanish

Quotes

Pennywise: For 27 years, I dreamt of you. I craved you... I've missed you!


Richie Tozier: Who killed a psychotic clown before he was fourteen?

Eddie Kaspbrak: Me.

Richie Tozier: Who stabbed Bowers with a knife he pulled out of his own face?

Eddie Kaspbrak: Also me.

Richie Tozier: Who married a woman ten times his own body mass?

Eddie Kaspbrak: Me.

Richie Tozier: Yeah. You're braver than you think.


Richie Tozier: [after killing Henry] Guess you could say that was long overdue. Get it? 'Cause we're in a... library.

[Richie vomits]


Eddie Kaspbrak: Beep-beep, motherfucker!


Richie Tozier: [1:57:02] You've got to be fuckin kidding me.


Mike Hanlon: [From trailer] Something happens to you when you leave this town. The farther away, the hazier it all gets. But me, I never left. I remember all of it.


[Seeing a skateboard falling down the stairs]

Beverly Marsh: Shouldn't we be running?

Bill Denbrough: It's Derry. I'm kinda getting used to it.


Eddie Kaspbrak: [to Henry Bowers] You should cut that fucking mullet. It's been, like, thirty years, man.


Georgie Denbrough: You lied, and I died. YOU LIED, AND I DIED!


Pennywise: [to young Ben] Kiss me, fat boy!


Richie Tozier: I love what he's done with the place.


Richie Tozier: This meeting of the Losers Club has officially begun.


[It takes the form of a Pomeranian puppy]

Richie Tozier: I know your every move, you little bitch.


Beverly Marsh: January embers.

Ben Hanscom: My heart burns there, too.

Beverly Marsh: It was you.


Richie Tozier: Eduardo! Ándale! Let's go!


Bill Denbrough: I think Richie said it best.

Richie Tozier: I did?

[pause]

Richie Tozier: I don't want to die?

Bill Denbrough: No.

Richie Tozier: It's a good thing we're not measuring dicks?

Bill Denbrough: [laughs] No.

Richie Tozier: Let's kill this fucking clown?

Bill Denbrough: That's it.

Richie Tozier: Let's kill this fucking clown!


[from trailer]

Mrs. Kersch: You know what they say about Derry. No one who dies here ever really dies.


Richie Tozier: Thanks for showing up, Stan.


Beverly Marsh: Beep beep, Richie.


Richie Tozier: [Richie] Wanna play truth or dare? Here's a truth, you're a sloppy bitch! Yippee ki yaya mother f...


Young Richie Tozier: I think I just shit my pants.


Young Stanley Uris: I'm a Loser. And I'll always be a fucking Loser.


Pennywise: Filthy little children.


Richie Tozier: [to Ben and Beverly] Wow, you two look amazing. What the fuck happened to me?


Pennywise: For 27 years, I've dreamt of you. I craved you. Oh I've missed you! Waiting for this very moment... TIME TO FLOAT!


Pennywise: Close your eyes if you don't believe. close them and see.


Pennywise: You've all grown up...


Henry Bowers: Here's Johnny


Mrs. Kersch: I was always daddy's little girl. What about you? Are you still his little girl Beverly? ARE YOU?


Pennywise: I am the eater of worlds!


Pennywise: All those buildings, all those sit-ups! I also knew you were going to die alone


Adrian Mellon: Meg Ryan called - and she wants her haircut back.


Pennywise: Run, run, run, run... You haven't changed anything yet. You haven't changed their futures. You-you haven't saved any of them. Close your eyes Bev.

Beverly Marsh: Fuck you!

Pennywise: If you don't believe... close them... and see.


Pennywise: Hello.


Mrs. Kersch: Is it like how you remembered?

Beverly Marsh: It's cleaner.


Young Stanley Uris: We're Losers, and we always will be.


Bill Denbrough: [openning narration] Memory, it's a funny thing. People want to believe they are what they choose to remember; the good stuff, the moments, the places - the people we all hold on to. But sometimes .. sometimes, we are what we wish we could forget.


Alvin Marsh: Are you still my little girl, Bevvie? Are you still my little girl?

Beverly Marsh: Not anymore!

[Kicks door shut, crushing its fingers]


Adrian Mellon: I still hate your fucking hair.


Eddie Kaspbrak: [Severely injured after being attacked by It] Richie, I gotta tell you something...

Richie Tozier: What's up, buddy?

Eddie Kaspbrak: I fucked your mom.

[laughs, then coughs painfully]


Mrs. Kersch: Time to sink!


Pennywise: Why him? Because you wheren't here


Mike Hanlon: [53:23] The ritual of chuda. The Chocopea. The first ones who fought it. They were saying all living things must abide by the laws of the shape they inhabit.

Richie Tozier: A tribal ritual? Are you fucking kidding me, man?


Pennywise: Did ya miss me Richie? Cause I missed you. No one wants to play with the clown anymore. Play a game with me, wouldja? How about Street Fighter? Oh yes, you like that one, don't you? Or maybe, truth or dare! Oh you wouldn't anyone to pick truth though, wouldja Richie? You wouldn't want anyone to know what you're hiding.

[He laughs menacingly as he floats off the statue]

Pennywise: I know your secret! Your dirty little secret. Oh I know your secret, your *dirty* little secret! Should I tell them Richie?


Mrs. Kersh: [1:10:09] My father came to this country with fourteen dollars in his pocket, and he didn't ask for a handout the way people coming here these days.


Eddie Kaspbrak: This kills monsters if you believe it does. If you believe it does. If you believe it does. *If* you believe it does.


Beverly Marsh: [Hands Eddie an iron rod] Here, take it. This kills monsters.

Eddie Kaspbrak: Really?

Beverly Marsh: If you believe it does.

Eddie Kaspbrak: Thanks, Bev.

[the two exchange fond smiles]


Pennywise: Me, small? I am the eater of worlds!

Mike Hanlon: [No longer afraid] Not to us, you're not. You're just a clown.


Ben Hanscom: Beverly, I love you!


Eddie Kaspbrak: [to Pennywise] Beep beep, motherfucker!


Stanley Uris: I swear, Bill.


Young Henry Bowers: Here's Johnny


Beverly Marsh: [to Bill] We didn't let you do it alone back then. We're not letting you now.

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